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Love this project. Can't wait to read about how it goes.

Here is a question: to what extent do you see this work as related to cybernetics of the sort that Dan Davies writes about: the Ashby/Beer tradition coming out of The Ratio Club, a tradition that includes Gregory Bateson and the Norbert Wiener who wrote "A Scientist Rebels." I am thinking about what words to use when we try to imagine alternatives to the optimization mindset that distorts our understanding of what large language models can and should do.

Prototyping –"The simplest way to find out is to make the thing and see," as Ashby put it–is importantly different from "move fast and break things" in order to dominate markets and become trillionaires. Introducing "ought" and "why" into the design process feels crucial, though keeping it front and center as ideas get commercialized is the harder and more important work.

Given how tangled and amorphous, and largely ignored by the academy, the term "cybernetics" has become, it is completely fair to pass on this question. I'm interested in examples of what I think of as cybernetics happening on college campuses, and wondering what you think of the label.

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